Drum samples altered by looping and slicing


  • Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Hi all.

    When I record a wave file from a drumbeat, the rhythm of the sample gets altered. Where the original sample contains, say, a beat in steady 16th’s, I get three 16th’s in a row, then two counts nothing (where there should be notes played), then again three notes in a row etc.. You can also see it in the edit window from the sample, the lines are grouped in groups of 3 notes, with a lot of space between the groups.

    My system:

    Macbook Pro M1
    8 core CPU @ 2,5 GHz
    32 Gb RAM

    ULN8 audio interface (but the interface plays no role here, this happens inside the computer).

    I’m pretty stoked here because in the beginning, this happened only occasionally. Now it happens all the time. Anyone got any idea?

    Thanks in advance.


    Sampleconstruct
    Keymaster
    • Posts: 275

    I haven’t used the slicer really but I’ll check on my system, maybe it’s a bug


    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Thank you.

    You won’t believe me, but I did a prayer for my system, performed a ritual and gave it blessings & some reiki and now it works. Isn’t this odd? Don’t ask me how it’s possible but even the gear responds to energy & intentions.

    You’re welcome to research though how the slicer works for you. I think it is a really cool feature, there’s got to be some rational explanation on why it didn’t function. But you can have a couple of  drumtracks recorded in a studio, bounce them to .wav and use the samples in your compositions in various tempo’s. Might you need it.

    So far so good, the problem’s over now but please keep me posted. This might be a bug indeed. It occurred in Falcon 2.0, 2.6 and lately in 2.8, to provide some details.

    Kudos,

    Walther.


    Sampleconstruct
    Keymaster
    • Posts: 275

    Well I’ve used slicers before in Kontakt, Reaktor etc. – just not in Falcon as nowadays I just don’t need them in my productions. Glad the problem solved itself, maybe asking on a forum did the trick 🙂


    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Well, it appeared that the blessing had its effect but only temporarily. Miracles do exist, but they don’t last long. The problem is back, the drumsamples are being altered and completely ruined again just on opening the sample. I can keep praying and blessing forever but if the problem keeps coming back, it looks like I need some more rational, technical assistance.

    Had I said that I use Falcon 2.8 yet? I upgraded from 2.1 and 2.6 to 2.8 in order to get rid of the problem, and of course to have the latest version, but to no avail. I selected one note shot in the preferences, and I deselected it, tried both options, makes no difference.

    So dear Sampleconstruct (if that is your name on this forum) and everyone reading this, can you please chime in to shine your light on this? Looks like I am the only one having this issue, which, presumably, makes it more difficult to tackle it. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    • This reply was modified 7 months ago by Voideco. Reason: Spell correction

    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Note:

    Rex files are played flawlessly (breakbeat.rx2 ie). Wave files get altered simply on monitoring the sample with the play button in the lower right corner, beneath the sample browser. While writing this post, I loaded a rex file and deleted it. Then I loaded a wave file and it plays seemlessly again . Not any problem. I’m baffled once again, but I suspect this won’t be a permanent solution, just like the little temporary miracle with the prayer. But it might provide some clues on the nature of the altered playback event and point in the direction of the solution.

    [edit] the solution may be to create .rx2-files from my drumsamples so as to have a permanent consistent playback. The question will then be; how do I do that?

    • This reply was modified 7 months ago by Voideco.

    paulwatkins929
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    • Posts: 5

    Looping and slicing are two techniques used in music production and beatmaking to create unique and dynamic drum patterns. Looping involves selecting a drum sample, setting loop points, adjusting crossfades, and varying loop length to create different rhythmic patterns. Layering multiple loops or combining loops from different samples can create complex patterns. Effects can be applied to shape the sound of the looped samples. Slicing involves selecting a drum loop, determining slice points, cutting the loop at each desired slice point, arranging the slices in a new sequence, and quantizing the slices to ensure precise timing and rhythm. Variations can be made to the velocity, pitch, and timing of each slice. Effects can be applied to the individual slices or the entire sliced drum pattern. Exporting or using the sliced drum pattern as audio clips or within a MIDI sampler or drum sequencer can further manipulate and arrange the sound.


    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Thank you paulwatkins929, for your explanation. Interesting how to quantize slices and alter timing on purpose. Sounds like it gives more control over playback, plus an explanation could be that some of those adjustments are done automatically, and indicates that ome setting should have to be done in order to get things right, that the samples are now altered because Falcon would refer to a setting that easily can be changed.

    Thanks again 🙂


    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    Well I don’t know how it could have been of any help, but inporting a rex file did the trick. After I did that, it plays wave files correctly again too. I’m glad the problem seems to be solved, but the solution used seems just as ungrounded as performing a blessing. The issue may come back any time. Paul Watkin’s comment may contain a key, but it will be an endless search i guess if the problem returns. I may gonna have to find out how to create rex files from my sliced waves, no clue or whatsoever. For now, thank you al who chimed in and good luck making music.


    Voideco
    Participant
    • Posts: 18

    The prob kept coming back with wave files. Very discouraging and frustrating to say the least.

    Just bought Recycle from Propellerhead to create rex files. That seemed to do the trick so far, fingers crossed. All in all I conclude that Falcon does a lousy job slicing and playing back wave samples. You’ve gotta use rex files, which costs you another $99,= to buy Recycle to create them.

    What a lousy mess, but at least I think I’m fine for now. I consider this a bug.

     

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